Famous and beloved primate researcher Jane Goodall is wrong, according to this week's guest, psychiatrist Robert E Kay MD. He doesn't mean to discount her contributions to humanity, but in this LNR episode he assails her conclusions about primates and aggression. In so doing, he challenges us listeners to change at least one fundamental assumption about ourselves.

First, Dr Kay gives us the science. Then, in the Q-and-A following, Dr Kay and I discuss the implications for education, law enforcement, peacekeeping, and personal growth.